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Why fight each other? by ALA1N-J Why fight each other? by ALA1N-J
Quand on parle de Krystal et de Fara en même temps, c'est en général pour dire qu'on aime l'une et pas l'autre. Certains fans écrivent aussi des histoires ou dessinent des fanarts où celle qu'ils/elles détestent est représentée comme la pire des garces et où leur renarde préférée se venge de celle-ci de manière peu subtile (et ça peut aller loin... très loin...). Ils/elles vont même jusqu'à attaquer d'autres fans sur ce sujet.

Je pense que ces deux renardes peuvent coexister sans s'entretuer. L'apparition de l'une n'empêche pas l'autre. Les deux ont leurs propres personnalités et histoires personnelles, de là on peut travailler leurs relations entre elles, autre que juste "J'vais te faire la peau, sale *biiiiiip* !".

La guerre que se livrent anti-Fara et anti-Krystal est, la plupart du temps, motivée par cette unique question : laquelle des deux mérite-t-elle d'être la petite amie de Fox ?

Je ne sais pas vous, mais je trouve que haïr un personnage juste parce qu'il/elle entre en collision avec tel fan-shipping est un peu bête, non ? Je ne dis pas que Fox doit avoir les deux en même temps, mais :

- aucun homme ne vaut la peine de s'étriper, pas même Fox;

- ne parler de Fara ou Krystal que comme petite amie de Fox, ça fait réducteur à mon goût; elles ont leurs propres qualités à montrer (autre que leur poitrine, bien entendu :p).

Après, qu'on préfère l'une ou l'autre, chacun est juge. Je peux aussi concevoir une certaine tension entre les deux. Mais j'en ai marre de cette guerre entre fans extrémistes qui portent préjudice aux personnages et aux autres fans. D'où ce dessin.

Starfox©Nintendo
Art©ALA1N

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When both Fara and Krystal are mentioned, it's usually when someone says he/she likes one and not the other. Some of these fans write fanfictions and draw fanarts where they depict the vixen they hate as the biggest b-word in Lylat and where the other one, idolized, takes revenge on her with ungraceful manners (it can go far... really far...). They even attack other fans over this subject.

I do believe these two vixens can live together without killing each other. One's existence does not forbid the other one's. Each has her own personality and backstory, from that we can work on their interactions, more than just "I'm gonna skin you *beeeep*!"

This anti-Fara/Anti-Krystal war is, most of the time, motivated by this unique question : which one deserves to be Fox's girlfriend?

I don't know about you people, but I think that hating a character just because he/she gets in the way of your fan-shipping is a bit dumb, isn't it? I'm not saying that Fox should get two girls at a time, but :

- no man is worth killing for, not even Fox;

- to mention Fara or krystal only as Fox's girlfriend is downgrading IMO; both girls have their own qualities to show (more than their breasts, of course :p).

Which one do you prefer? You decide. I can conceive some tension between the two girls. But I'm fed up of this war waged by fanboys and fangirls that harms the characters and other fans as well. Hence this drawing.

Starfox©Nintendo
Art©ALA1N

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Krystal-fan2005 Featured By Owner May 27, 2015
I use to like krystal more than fara i enjoyed the small bits of fighting but only the yelling at each other picture. I persoonaly like them both now and i really think in my honest opinion he should marry them both.
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MrFoxMccloud Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2015
I love both of them.
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petit-fluffy-wolf Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2015
Ce dessin est super cool, et ce que tu dis est tellement vrai ! LEs voir représentées amies ensemble sur un même dessin c'est rare, et très appréciable ! :D
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ALA1N-J Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2015
Merci ! :D
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petit-fluffy-wolf Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2015
Pas de quoi ! :D
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Krystal-fan2005 Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014
I have to say we don't know how marriage works in Lylat Fox could potentially marry both vixen's (or they both could play fun pranks on him using their feminine charm XD.)
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ALA1N-J Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2014
Maybe, it's true this detail isn't explained, but then again marriage isn't exactly the focus in the games.

Both vixens playing pranks on Fox? Why not? Not that I completely embrace this idea, but as long as it doesn't involve brutally axing one or another or reducing Fara and/or Krystal to mere objects, I'm fine with it.
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Krystal-fan2005 Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2014
 no way I think Fara and Krystal would work together very well.
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danwind Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2014
Great Drawing of them Together, I loved it
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ALA1N-J Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2014
Thanks. :)
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danwind Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2014
Your Welcome
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PatrikMalisa Featured By Owner May 3, 2014  Student Artist
Why to fight when we can all be friends?I really like this pic.
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ALA1N-J Featured By Owner May 3, 2014
Thanks. :)
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PatrikMalisa Featured By Owner May 6, 2014  Student Artist
You're welcome.
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Crystal-Okami Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
Uh pretty! :)
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ALA1N-J Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2014
Thanks! :D
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GirlEevee Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
c'est vrai que l'on voit rarement Fara et Krystal ensemble dans un même dessin.je ne comprend vraiment pas pourquoi les gens font d'elles les pires enemies du monde.bon,les Krystal-haters ou les Fara-haters ont le droit,comme tu le dit,d'en aimer une plus que l'autre.moi,j'aime les deux (même si je préfère Krystal) et je respecte les préférences de chacun(e)s du moment que l'ont ne les fait pas s'entretuer.
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ALA1N-J Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2013
Les rares fois où j'ai vu Krystal et Fara ensemble sur un même dessin ou dans une fanfiction, cela tenait plus de la vengeance personnelle de l'artiste que de l'hommage aux jeux (entre les massacres et les combats pour remporter le cœur de Fox, il n'y a beaucoup de variété...). Je préfère essayer de les présenter avec plus de dignité, comme de vrais personnages, avec leurs qualités et défauts. Après, chacun préfère qui il ou elle veut, ça m'est égal.

Au fait, merci beaucoup pour le fav et surtout le watch !!
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GirlEevee Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
oui,chaque personnage a des qualités et des défauts.Ils sont comme nous,personne n'est parfait.

pas de quoi,j'aime beaucoup ton dessin ! et puis,je suis une grande fan de Starfox,et comme tu fait beaucoup de dessin de Starfox,je n'ai pas hésiter ! De plus,j'aime beaucoup ton style.
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Saiyajin-hime Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I see these two as becoming friends, even if it would take some time. Personally, I've been a Fox x Krystal fan before I even knew about Fara and I adore this pairing too much to change my mind. That's not to say that I dislike Fara or the comic she originated from, quite the opposite. If anything, I would see Fara and Fox as once being together and are now just good friends.

I don't understand why some fans feel the need to belittle other fans just for having a different opinion; if they want to use their energy to get mad, why not focus it on something that's actually causing harm to others in the world and look into what can be done to try to improve the situation as best as possible. But that's just me.

Anyway, I do love your design for both Fara and Krystal. :) Keep up the marvelous work! :clap:
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ALA1N-J Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2013
That's the idea I had in mind too. Fara and Krystal would have some kind of professional rivalry, but aside from that they can talk to each other without fighting. I also imagine Fox and Fara as you say, but right now it's only an idea, I need to develop it.

Yeah, some people can be very passionate over fictional characters. Maybe because it's easier to attach to some character in a game, a book or a movie, than a cause which is difficult for them to grasp the whole necessity? I don't know, actually. :shrug:

And thanks for the kind words! :love:
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Saiyajin-hime Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yeah, kind of similar to how Fox and Falco are friends, yet also rivals at the same time. I've have my own theories as to why Fara and Fox may have had to part ways, and none include Fox leaving Fara to be with Krystal; I never got the impression he'd be the type who would do something like that.

Yeah, I don't know either. Some people use a form of media as a means of escape, then there others who take it too far and bully someone who doesn't share their point of view.


You're very welcome! :hug:
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RyuTheWeredragon Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2013
I don't demonize Fara, at the most, I question why fans automatically assumed they were dating. I looked over those comics, and there wasn't any implication that they had any sort of love interet for each other.

Which is probably all for the better, since Fara supposedly looks exactly like Fox's mother, except she's a Fennec instead of a Red Fox, and thus that just adds thousands of tons of squick to it.

But yeah, I could imagine them as friends, myself.
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ALA1N-J Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2013
There were still some hints of a love interest between Fox and Fara, the way they talked to each other, the fact they seemed to spend time together. However, any revelant element that would clearly tell us they're in love with each other was off-screen, so we're left with Nintendo telling us something is going on, but we don't see it.

Personally, I've never believed Fara looking exactly like Fox's mother, especially when in the comics, Fox holds a picture of his mom who doesn't look like Fara at all. And I don't think they really cared about each other's species. This was just for the sake of having Fox going berserker on Andross at the end.

It's interesting to imagine one character's relationship with other characters, trying to fill the gaps left by Nintendo.

And thanks for the comment and the faves.
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RyuTheWeredragon Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2013
While I agree they didn't look alike, according to dialogue in the story, they were supposed to. Both Fox implied and one of the Andross clones out and said she looked just like Vixy Renard, Fox's Mother. Which kinda' makes a relationship kind of gross.
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Toni-the-Mink Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Out of curiosity, I did some research on the whole Krystal/Fara/Fox love triangle..... It is ridiculous.... especially when neither girl is worthy of Fox, IMO.

But a lovely pic nonetheless. Good job. ^^ Nice example of tolerance
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ALA1N-J Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2013
Indeed, it is ridiculous.

Now the problem I see with the love relationships involving Fox is that they're not handled well.
Fox/Krystal looks shoehorned and basically started with Fox looking under her skirt while she was trapped in a crystal. Ironically, the only time it was ever developped was in Command, when Fox dumped Krystal out of Starfox team. Whether what happened next in the game was good storytelling is debatable.
Fox/Fara seems more developped, but the developped elements are either too cliché (Fara having to be saved by Starfox team two times in the first story arc) or aren't enough worked out to appear believable(Fara's supposed resemblance to Fox's mother).

That's another reason why some people don't like romance in movies/comics/novels/video games.

But thanks anyway.^^ Tolerance was indeed the objective of this drawing.
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gamios Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2013
Wasn't the looking under her skirt thing in that Supah Nin10do(ugh I forgot how its spelt..) flash movie ?

Also, I think you'll agree that, its asking a little too much for realistic romance in a Nintendo video game. Given how they generally handle that kind of things.

Plus, I'm not sure people really watch movies or play video games to live a completely lifelike experience. Especially relationships or other touchy things. Since they might just make bad memories or their current real-life problems resurface to tarnish their experience. But, I'm not a psychologist..

As for Fara getting saved, I'm not sure that was what was supposed to have really got the whole thing in motion. Or else they wouldn't have had waited until later to really introduce them to each others, and would have probably went like those "knight save princess" stories where they just suddenly make out after the knight saves the princess.. I think the second time was more a consequence of getting rid of her Arwing to explain why the snes game didn't feature her. And also because they just keep flirting the whole time before she ejects from her arwing..

And I think the whole Oedipus complex thing is fanon for trying to explain the rushed ending with magic plot devices being introduced in the last chapters even though they've been around the whole comics and never even noticed Fara supposedly looked like Fox's mom.. Because, it was basically because she supposedly looked like Fox's mother that the bad guy shot himself in the foot, and that triggered the ending.

But the most ridiculous thing about that love triangle thing is that, it doesn't exist in the canon. SF SNES and SF 64 are two universes apart, with some pretty different characterizations, events, etc.. That's why calling SF64 a remake is a little silly...

Also, hi Alain :)
Its been so damn long I went on DA in my app tab that its still on this page XD
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ALA1N-J Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2013
Hi Psy,

Actually, I think one can see under Krystal's loincloth using the goggles (this pic is from a deleted youtube video : [link] ). This makes me realize how fµ@#ing creepy her situation in Adventures is.

Yeah, a realistic romance is too much from Nintendo. But is trying not to make any romance a Mario/Peach knockoff too much to ask?

People see movies and play videogames to have fun. But also to experiment a story, to discover universes and, in videogames's case, to achieve something. All of this works better if no interference or shoehorned elements blocks the viewer/gamer to feel as part of the story or to just having a good time. Shoehorned romances in movies are bad in themselves, but it gets worse in videogames when the player is retrograded to the rank of spectator when he's supposed to have a minimum of control in the game. MassEffect and some other games like Fable or The Witcher solve that by allowing the player to choose his/her soulmate. People wouldn't mind romances that much if they weren't forced in for the sake of having a woman needing the hero's presence.

It's not about having a lifelike experience, it's about experiment something believable to some degree and just having fun.

The problem I see with Fara is that her very introduction into the Starfox's storyline is having her being held hostage, and a few pages later, she has to be saved by Fox. Even though her predicament is not as bad as Krystal's, she's been labeled as a "damsel in distress" because of that. What is also a shame is that she doesn't get involved in Starfox team when they cripple Andross's army. At least until the first arc's end, when she helps Fox to travel through the black hole. That's what made her stand out : not a passive girlfriend, but finally an important character in the story.

However the rest of the story didn't develop much Fox's and Fara's relationship. Everything about it is going off-screen, so most elements telling us why they're in love is shadowed. The only element I can see is the "Oedipus" thing. And I don't believe it. Not only was it shown in the last chapters, as you said, when they had plenty of time to notice that; but also, even when it triggered the ending, it wasn't fully developped, as Fox somehow lets Andross flee to let his father get his revenge, when a few seconds before he was on a berseker mode. Nowhere was a transition between Mad Fox and Normal Fox shown, so it's hard to believe it. So the whole triggering element loses of its importance.

And yeah, the Fox/Fara/Krystal love triangle was all made up by the fans. I feel appalled to see those fans waging a war about a love triangle that doesn't exist. I've seen your Tumblr post on haters. To think people hate Fara because her fans were "mean to Krystal" when they just said "I prefer Fara, that's all"?! :iconfacepalmplz: *sigh* It's freaking ridiculous. This gives me more reasons for posting this drawing in the first place.

Now maybe a good thing for a remake of Starfox is to mix SNES SF's and SF64's storyline and characters. Each has elements that would make a better story if implemented together. At least, that's my opinion.

It's always fun to have talks like that. :)
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gamios Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2013
Yeah, but there's a reason for the first arc for her to stay on base. Its stupid, but its because she was written after the game, therefore they couldn't just write her as being on the team during the first arc. They'd have contradicted themselves..

Also, I played one of my sheperd so he did not have a love interest.
Its kinda random when you see him on the scenes where he should be with his love interest and he's just screwing around until joker talks to him XD

And you know, I think more and more that they should just keep it at flirting, instead of building a character as a love interest first.. It would force them to come up with better ambitions for the characters..

And what I always found really weird about krystal, is how after adventure she has to build a new future with new ambitions for her new situation (because, the character had no known bigger goal in life than saving dinosaur planet), yet poof she's in starfox for X reasons and now is an average lylatian in terms of culture knowledge and skills..

Forgive the comparison, but for a lack of better examples, it reminds me of Jar Jar Binks when he's suddenly a serious politician in Episode 2 ...
That was kinda forced.. (I'm not using this as a derogatory comparison. But, its just the best example on some character's sudden and forced transformation I could come up with.. )
I mean, I don't care about knowing too many details or deep philosophical ideologies the characters have, but just by knowing what one likes in life, what pisses it off, and what are its skills or preoccupations, etc.. It makes it much easier to understand a character. That makes the difference between "a dood on your screen" and the protagonist.
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ALA1N-J Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2013
You know, you've got a point here : it would be better to having Fox and Krystal/Fara flirting or just hanging out, that would develop their relationships better and show us how close to each other they are. They could fall in love afterwards, but not abruptly at the beginning like "BAM! Here's your token girlfriend, deal with it!" without any explanation.

Krystal's backstory (as this as it is) was only used in Dinosaur Planet/Adventures, but neither Assault nor Command did use them (especially in Command where it could have been used to explain why Fox was alone at the beginning : "Maybe Krystal still had trouble dealing with the fact that she does not know what happened to her planet and people, so she went back to the stars in search for answers, and Fox wouldn't stop her? Nah, let's turn Fox into an emotional jerk, have him dump Krystal all alone for no reason and have fans blame her for everything"). That's something I don't like either.
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HectorNY Featured By Owner May 21, 2013  Hobbyist
Oh, I totally agree. I can see these two get along as if they were sisters. In fact I even did a pic based on what their feeling are about the fandom having them against each other.

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exewon Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013
I really like this picture :) and the design for both of them. Also fun to see them friendly in the same picture. Really like the idea behind it! :D

As for what you say. I'm fully behind you on that. Its rather petty to think a woman would go too those lengths just for a man. Sure it is possible for women to get snippy and have some tension between them if they have their sights on the same guy, but usually not to the lengths you usually read in fanfiction. If they do.. I'm feeling sorry for the guy and would advice that those women see a psychologist. that just ain't normal.

Besides, I'm feeling a bit miffed that most fanfiction writers can't seem to remember men and women can have deep relations with each other that isn't romance. There are lots of stuff you can do with characters that doesn't involve them going gaga over each other. Especially with star fox characters since star fox canon is so vague and/or up to interpretation at times that no matter what you do people are going to remark that something doesn't fit cannon. (Not to mention its fanfiction/fanart, whatever you are going to make is going to be non-cannon already.) So be creative! Pull some strings, make your own vision on the star fox world and above all tell a good story that is more then just fox and fara/krystal making googly eyes at each other and bashing fare/krystal. You got some paint and a blank canvas. Make something nice out of it :)!

Err.. sorry if I went a bit of tangent here. But those are just my two cents. Love the picture. Love your stance on the entire shipping war thing. Keep making great art, get that star fox source mod worked out and have a good time!.
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ALA1N-J Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013
Thanks, glad you like it!

And no problem about your two cents. I like it when people take time to share their thoughts. And I agree with you, there is so much we can do about the Starfox universe.

As for the Lylat's Last Stand mod, we're working hard to get it done. I'm proud being part of that project.

Again, many thanks for the comment, the fav and the watch!
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exewon Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013
Thanks, and it wasn't a problem. I like the stuff you have and I'm looking forward towards what you make next!.
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rockybalboa76 Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2013
Beautiful job.
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ALA1N-J Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013
Thanks, for comment&fav.
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Gathion Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I love this pic...I especially like the outfits you gave both characters.

I think both characters can legitimately exist in the same timeline, since Fox and Fara were together years before Fox even met Krystal...a lot can happen in an eight-year span. My idea was that Fox and Fara were in a relationship, but Fara was badly injured during a mission...though she ultimately survived, she was paralyzed from the waist down, and they grew apart as Fox blamed himself for letting Fara get in harm's way. This leads to him almost doing the same thing to Krystal during the Anglar Invasion in Star Fox Command. I've had the idea bouncing around in my head for ages as a story, though I never got around to writing it...maybe I'll finally get around to it soon, though :)

I doubt you could have both active at the same time though, unless one was ancient history in regards to their relationship with Fox...at least in the games. Probably too much drama outside fanfiction. :P

(Coincidentally, I drew a picture a few years ago of Fox and Panther in almost identical poses: [link] I sincerely doubt there is any argument for why THOSE two would ever hang out together, unless forced :XD:)
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ALA1N-J Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2013
Thank you. I had fun designing the outfits. Krystal's suit comes from my redesign of her from :iconmyiinhiding:'s contest, and Fara's one is a purple CDF suit I designed for that Starfox mod I'm working on : [link]

Now that I think about it, I think I saw your gallery once, some years ago. I was looking at some SF-fanart and I discovered your gallery. You've inspired some of my views on SF actually. I rememeber your theory about Fara (and that picture of Fox and Panther! How did I not remember it when I made my pic of Fara and Krystal?! :XD:) and it sounds quite good, especially when it comes to explain Fox's weird desicion to put Krystal out of the team at Command's beginning.

Now personally, I'd keep the "disabled pilot" story for Peppy, to explain why he's not in an Arwing anymore. Though instead of being paralysed, he'd get ill that wouldn't allow him to withstand the pressure and g-forces a pilot should endure. I still would like to have Fara and Krystal interact in some way, even just once. I imagine that Fox and Fara ended their relationship somehow. While I can see why people ship them (and I won't debate against it), they seem a bit too similar to make a couple IMO (I do think Fara is basically "What if Fox were a girl?"). I like having some tension between Fara and Krystal, though they can still put their differences aside and like each other.
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Gathion Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I'm sorry! I thought I had replied to your comment, but it looks like it never went through. DA has acted up from time to time for me. :(

It's an honor to have helped inspire you...your artwork is beautiful, and I like the concepts you've come up with, especially the redesigns. I would love to have Fara and Krystal interact, though that's unlikely to happen beyond our own creations (though that's the fun of fanart!)

I think age ended up being a fair excuse as to why Peppy is out of the lineup for Assault...after all, he is over 20 years older than anyone else on the team and closing in on 50 in Assault, if not already there. I chose having Fara be paralyzed as a compromise between killing her off and simply having her and Fox break up...it's traumatic enough to influence his stance with Krystal, yet merciful enough to excuse her from the story without killing her off. I'd still like to follow through on an actual story with the two of them, but I have much to think about. :)
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Lutherine Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Really.
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OrbiterSpore Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Hey, great one Alan. :thumbsup: The level of detail in your artworks is amazing!

As for the whole Fara or Krystal war, tch, I don't know if I close the tab or die laughing over these arguing freaks. And I'm more likely to do the former since weird crap way past the line is almost omnipresent.
Bonus points for the big majority of them not even caring two s[BLEEP]ts about the personality/story/backstory of whichever character and go into their own fetishes instead. Yes, you know what I'm meaning. Heck, the internet CAN be too freaky.

I agree totally on what you said about the two of them being characters with unique backstories and more than some object of Fox/uNINTENDed eye candy. I don't know much of the 'classic' characters like Fara, Bill or Katt or whoever since I never got to actually see any of the older games and comics (other than 64, but it's a bit vague), but I don't go insulting anyone who likes [X] character, and I don't go assuming crazy crap either. I myself am more familiarized with Krystal since I began playing by Assault, but the pre-Adv. characters seem to have the same - if not even more story potential than her.
For me, the two can live within the same universe that there won't be a Multiverse-Shattering Kaboom of Doom from them. Some jealous feelings can be acceptable, but bare-fur biting death-fights? Seriously, what the hell?

So for you all furries and SF fans; do like this awesome guy: Use your brain. If you do, you're as awesome. And if you don't (have one), just pretend you do and don't do freaky crap. Peace. :peace:
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ALA1N-J Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013
Thanks for the comment, my friend. I hope to see more work in characterization in next Starfox games, not only for Krystal and Fara (if she ever comes back), but for all characters as well.

And I like your pun with Nintendo, "Fox/uNINTENDed eye candy", that was inspired. :D
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UruturamanZenith Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
See, all this started when Rareware turned its still developing game 'DInosaur Planet' into a Star Fox game. Back then, if you were following the comic strip that came out in Nintendo Power issues, Fara was already Fox's girlfriend. However, they changed that in 'Adventures'. Fara no longer exists, and is replaced by Krystal, that's where most of the hate for her comes from. And personally, I can understand that, but I don't get why people would hate Fara, hell I didn't even know Fara existed till after I started writing. Your picture shows that they can co-exist, and I'm all for that. That's what I got going in my own fanfics.

p.s., I know she's a fennec, but I think you made Fara's ears a bit big. But that's just my pet-peeve. I still like this pic.
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CAHunter Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Actually, they replaced Fara long before adventures-in Starfox 2 (And no, I do not hate Fara, just stating facts). They had started to put her and a relative of Andross named Saru-who was good(It's assumed he returned as Saru-Marine on Zoness, except he was now evil obv. I suspect that's why they made Dash in Command, as the same company that made Command-Q games, although they had a diff name back then ofc-is the one that worked on the unreleased SF:2). Instead of keeping those two (and you could tell that Sf:2 was based on the snes vers in which the comic was based on), they replaced with a couple of new recruits (And I like them too ^^), Fay Spaniel and Miyu Lynx. So even when they had intentions of putting her in, they scrapped it for two new faces that was never mentioned. But of course in SF:64, even they were scrapped and reborn into Bill Grey (a sweet dog) and Katt Monroe (a tomboyish cat. See the connection ^^) and still placed no mention of Fara while keeping Star Wolf (as they appeared even in Sf:2. I guess that's why they left Fox with the line: "Just what I need to see. Star Wolf." despite them never meeting before).
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gamios Featured By Owner Mar 17, 2013
No offense, but you've mixed up a few things.

- Yes they replaced Fara in sf2, but only as a playable pilot. As far as the info available on the topic goes, she just got removed from the playable roster and not necessarily from the universe. But the best answer is probably, we don't know..

- And no, Argonaut Games didn't become Q-Game. The only person from the Argonaut team is Dylan Cuthbert, a wiz kid programmer( FFS he programmed a 3D gameboy game named "X" while he was still minor !! ) that worked on "X" for gameboy and Starfox snes and Starfox 2 snes. When he left Argonaut, he worked for a couple of others including Sony. He founded Q-Game a few years ago with a brand new team. But since he was the director on Starfox Command, its pretty obvious why there are so many references to the earlier games.

- The surnames of Fay and Miyu are fanon. We have no actual evidence of their surnames.

- As far as Fara existence after SF2 goes, we haven't found any mentions of her. However, we've noticed a couple of things that were imported directly from the comics in SF64, and Benimaru Itoh, the guy who made the comics, was credited in the special thanks section of the sf64 credits. Some of those imported things include Falco's gang member past, and the mention of a very obscure character デスラ・コバー(phonetically ~ "Desura Koba") in the strategy guide for SF64. They mentioned that the character discovered the warp and got stranded somewhere..(Though, I haven't yet obtained the strategy guide mentioning Desura, so don't take this last one as a confirmed fact.. ). There are also other things, but I'll have to do some more digging.
However, that in itself doesn't prove anything, other than what they kept was pretty arbitrary. Fara's existence is unknown, just like her nonexistence in sf64.

- "But of course in SF:64, even they were scrapped and reborn into Bill Grey (a sweet dog) and Katt Monroe (a tomboyish cat. See the connection ^^) and still placed no mention of Fara while keeping Star Wolf (as they appeared even in Sf:2."
That's a fallacious assumption. In truth, we can't tell if its only a coincidence or if its some kind of reference to Fay and Miyu.
And as for the presence of Starwolf and the absence of Fara proving she got replaced, that is another fallacy. Again, her existence is uncertainty at this point.

- "I guess that's why they left Fox with the line: "Just what I need to see. Star Wolf." despite them never meeting before)."
That's most likely unrelated. The SNES and SF64 canon are two different universes, they're in no way chronologically connected.


Now don't take it the wrong way, when I say some of the things you said were fallacies. Its not to be insulting, snobbish, or belittle you, but to try to make you realize why it doesn't work.
Now, sorry if you didn't need this last sentence, but I've had quite a few discussions turn into arguments because of things like that, so I'm not taking any chances anymore.

And if you want I can get you my sources, though right now I'm in a hurry.
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CAHunter Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
But they had plans for her and they still have not brought her back. I'm not sure why they would create a whole new universe when they had the chars already+add Star Wolf. (If they haven't by now, they more than likely will not or not as she was shown in the comic obv).

Yes, but I kinda see him as the team since the others are scattered and how close Command tried to match SF:2. He tried, but it obv fails in comparison.

No, their names are not canon (Surnames obv), but as you can tell by Nintendo, they remain close to the animals they name like cheap jokes (except Falco, who is apparently not a Falcon, but a pheasant). And you can tell that Miyu is in fact a lynx and Fay (well,sometime they pose her as a poodle) is a cocker spaniel (If you know your dog breeds, it's obv). That's what leads people to call them that. And I'm sure nintendo would be exactly or close to naming that themselves-if they cared about them anymore.

She hasn't existed in any game and only one comic (There's 3 or 4 comics if I remember). I had at one time, thought she was inside Fox's ship on a poster. But a artist did a rendering and while it was a fennic fox (if I spelled that right), it was quite obvious not Fara. Far as that unknown warp char, idk. I've been through both warp points in SF:64 (with perfect scores/whole team alive, etc) and never seen anyone. It may just be a reference to James, since he seems to be in both dimensions but not completely alive. But I'm just saying Fara hasn't been in a single game. That's not really a fact you can argue with (Well, obv you have xD Maybe she's out there in the wild black yonder, but she has not been canon in ANY game yet).

Of course that's an assumption, I just said do you see the connections? Bill is a sweet-as in cool/kind-dog. And Katt is a tomboy. Both are within the same family (dog/cat) and share very close attitudes to Fay/Miyu. Ya, I know, unknown. But the fact is she has not appeared and when they had her lined up, they tossed her aside for totally new chars (Again! I do not hate Fara-I do dislike some of her crazed fans). But I do see that as a sign that they could have kept Miyu/Fay/Fara (Even if nothing more than just chars like Bill/Katt, that just appear to help you), they didn't and yet we have Star Wolf, who was in the very same game.

Actually, I didn't say it was related to Starfox snes (the first), but to SF:2. And I'm not sure how he knew Wolf before Fichina otherwise (Since Wolf's crimes had not reached the height yet to even be worth mentioning in the storyline of SF:64). The only other way I could figure is Fox tracked Pigma to him or they ran into each other at a point before 64 (like sf2 era?).

I actually like discussing Starfox. I mean, I wouldn't be a fan if I didn't like talking about it obv xD

I'm not worried about resources, but you too are assuming things that neither of us have facts on ^^
You're hoping (And I don't mind that long as you don't go rabid kill all starfox that doesn't agree with it) that, somewhere, she is alive. I am saying so far, she is not.
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UruturamanZenith Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Uhm, okay.
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ALA1N-J Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013
I know the story, I just wanted to say my opinion on the matter, as these two vixens can coexist.

Now, I think Fara had been abandonned by Nintendo before Adventures came out : she was supposed to be an Interceptor pilot in the first drafts of Starfox 2 (here's her avatar from the early Starfox 2 : [link]), along with an ape called Saru. But as development went on, they were dropped out in favor of Miyu and Fay in the unfinished final Beta. And when Starfox 64 came out, there was neither appearance nor mention of Fara. So, by Nintendo's terms, Fox didn't have a girlfriend until Adventures, but in the hearts of Starfox 's first generation fans, Fara was Fox's girlfriend (and for most she still is).

As for the hate for Fara, it sums up in these words : fan shippings. Most of the Fara haters are only motivated by the fact she collides with their loved Fox/Krystal pairing. And I find that just plain ridiculous.

Now, I may have done Fara's ears a bit too big, indeed. Thanks for pointing it out.

Anyways, thanks a lot for comment&fav!
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